Curse

Isfit · Nov 19, 2010, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

You could skip Augury Rock?

And Tihark Orchard?

It's not unique (thanks MithranArkanere for pointing that out).

Yes you can skip them both...
Not if you want to experience the full story, but you can skip them to see the story after them.

Warvic · Nov 19, 2010, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Tbh, after playing this game for 5.5 years. I always love to play with new builds/skills etc. So I rly enjoy the BMP playstyle.

Skyy High · Nov 19, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I think it's a fun take on storytelling that we don't see very often, and it lets them give us some absolutely game-breakingly awesome abilities in fixed scenarios to play with. Lasting appeal? Probably not. Short-lived fun and variety? Definitely.

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The problem is, you need to do these soloquests to be able to advance in the story of "Hearts of the North"
You could skip all the solo-missions up til now.

Augury Rock and Tihark are required for the storyline. No, you cannot skip Tihark and see the story behind it; Nightfall is not Prophecies. Further, back when it was just Prophecies, you needed to beat Augury in order to do UW/FoW (which was the only endgame). It seems pretty clear that they never intended for you to just be able to skip it.

[edit]Oh yeah, and the second 15att point quest, kinda important.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

I would rather play as Thackery in a solo mission, then do the same ol' boring H/H through some mission and read dialogue. This mixes it up.

QFT

LifeInfusion · Nov 19, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

I honestly said, out loud, the first time I entered the game as Kieran:

"Ok, which one of these is Troll Unguent?"

Hold the phone here... This ranger's stance is a party heal, not a speed move or a dodge move, and he doesn't have troll juice?? My mind = blown.

Wait wait... I'm a ranger and I'M the guy with the party heal? I gotta watch the assassin's health bar? No no no, this is all backwards.

Dogs and cats... living together... mass hysteria!!

It's a movable Healing spring that casts in 0 seconds and removes a hex. Keiran is pro.

Another Felldspar · Nov 19, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

I'm consistently amazed by the QQing that goes on when Anet gives us something new and completely free. Anet hasn't gotten more than $10 from me in the last year and a half, yet they still provide me with new things to keep myself entertained. I personally think that's awesome.

Oh, believe me, I think that's awesome too. I live for both skill updates and content updates. You won't find a bigger fanboi than me. I'm not crying because there is new content, I'm crying because the new content isn't good.

WiK was incredible. The new Mantle/Peacekeeper group builds were great, and playing against them in hard mode made me think about builds, aggro, weapon sets... Playing this BMP doesn't. At all. The story is lacking, the play is lacking, the reward is lacking. And believe me I wouldn't mess with it at all if there were some indication from the devs that it won't be needed to start the Canthan story arcs.

And yes, I want to complain. I want to complain because I don't want to see the rest of GW:B end up being like this. Truthfully, the only thing in the BMPs that resemble GW is the art and interface. There is nothing in this type of play that furthers Guild Wars.

Xiaquin · Nov 19, 2010, 07:47 PM // 19:47

I really like it because there is enough text in the game already. Many people just want to look at the objective list, go stomp some enemies, yawn and collect their rewards.

BMP-style play is basically interactive story-telling, and I think it rocks. Sure, this strange assassin and the one she is chasing don't seem to mean a lot at this point, but how much would it mean if it was described through walls of text?

gremlin · Nov 19, 2010, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I want to know where the heck these people get these skills and why they don't ever become available to players.

Played all the BMP and would have loved a couple of Gwens skills.

As a player who has saved the world four times now and I think I outrank Lieutenant thackeray how come there are no skills named after me.

While we are on it If I get a perfect weapon and customise it maybe that should also be named too.

Going to stop saving this world if they don't sort themselves out.

Black Metal · Nov 19, 2010, 08:50 PM // 20:50

I agree with others who say that variety is good. Yes it's a multiplayer game, and 99% of the content can be played with more ppl. But there's nothing wrong with mixing things up a bit. Personally I find it interesting and challenging when the rules or mechanics are changed for a specific part.

And I agree that complaining about free content because it doesn't fit your personal preferences 100% is a pretty insignificant thing to complain about.

You can just skip it if it bothers you. Many others will enjoy it. At this stage, any new content is good content.

Mordakai · Nov 19, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Isfit

Yes you can skip them both...
Not if you want to experience the full story, but you can skip them to see the story after them.

LOL, no you can't! Well, not if you want to be Ascended (and be able to go to UW/FoW).

And I actually think Nightfall keeps you from the next mission until you finish the previous one... if I'm wrong, sorry, but then, why would anyone do any missions and not just run to DoA?

mrmango · Nov 19, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27

The whole skill bar made me think this is moving towards how GW2 will be. In that the skillbar has 5 attack skills (check), a healing skill, a utility, that sort of feel is there with the Thackeray bar.

Also, it's largely solo, like how GW2 CAN be.

Stolen Souls · Nov 19, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I personally don't mind that they are solo. They weren't hard by any means, plus being alone just suits the story better (being able to bring my gwen hero along to fight next to Thackery as he tries to get back to see Gwen...wouldn't exactly make much sense. xD).

For me the quests were something new to do, and were really fun. -shrug-

SpyderArachnid · Nov 19, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by gremlin

I want to know where the heck these people get these skills and why they don't ever become available to players.

Played all the BMP and would have loved a couple of Gwens skills.

Well you can actually get all of Gwen's skills. Only ones you can't get are Throw Rock, Hide, and Feign Death.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_F...th#Walkthrough

Flee can be replaced with Sprint or any other run type skill.

But Distortion, Illusion of Haste, Shared Burden, and Sum of all Fears are all normal Mesmer spells.

A11Eur0 · Nov 19, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Isfit

The problem is, you need to do these soloquests to be able to advance in the story of "Hearts of the North"
You could skip all the solo-missions up til now.
This one you cannot, not if you want to see the whole story unfold and not read about it in a summary.

Who cares? It's a game, you're following a story, that is nothing even close to mandatory for anything that makes any bit of difference in GW.

Fay Vert · Nov 19, 2010, 10:17 PM // 22:17

I thought I was supposed to be the hero!

Mordakai · Nov 19, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I thought I was supposed to be the hero!

You're a hero.

A11Eur0 · Nov 19, 2010, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I thought I was supposed to be the hero!

At the same time the White Mantle were attacking Beetletun in disguise, you were defending Lion's Arch and Salma. Yeah, you're 'the' hero.

Sir Cusfreak · Nov 19, 2010, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

you're following a story, that is nothing even close to mandatory for anything that makes any bit of difference in GW.

If that were true, it would be better - but the point is, if you want to play the upcoming Canthan GW:B, which does actually make a difference in the game, you're most likely going to have to go through Thackeray's BMP to get there, and that's the problem I have with it.

also,
"All new content is good content." and "It's good that there is new content."
Those two things are not the same, and only one of them is true.

A11Eur0 · Nov 19, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Sir Cusfreak

If that were true, it would be better - but the point is, if you want to play the upcoming Canthan GW:B, which does actually make a difference in the game, you're most likely going to have to go through Thackeray's BMP to get there, and that's the problem I have with it.

also,
"All new content is good content." and "It's good that there is new content."
Those two things are not the same, and only one of them is true.

Do you know exactly what GW:B in Cantha is? How do you know if it will directly affect the game? I don't think you'd even miss it.

These solo quests take 5 minutes. You can't take 5 minutes to do a solo quest in the shoes of a solo hero? Or are you more upset about not being able to take a special farm build in there and get "phat lewt"?

Sir Cusfreak · Nov 19, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I know that GW:B in Kryta definitely affected the game, and it was good, fun, well-written, well-executed and rewarding like new content should be. This isn't. I also know that GW:B in Cantha will include a new hero, and that affects the game, and being able to enjoy new content affects the game. And I never said I couldn't, and I did it, but my point was to answer the OP and say, no I don't like it, didn't enjoy it, and the game so far has led me to expect better. What's wrong with expressing my dissatisfaction and disappointment in this, especially when asked? and no, It not about the phat-lootz or farm builds, I've said what my problem was with it.

Isfit · Nov 19, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Ok, I take back everything I said. The quests are pretty easy if you do not play while multitasking 500 things at the same time, so I suppose it does not keep the average player out of the content --> no problem